Home - Login - Contact. Description: Suddenly Sam woke up thinking that he heard his master calling. It was evening. Gollum was by him. For a moment Sam thought that he was trying to rouse Frodo; then he saw that it was not so. Gollum was talking to himself.
A pale light and a green light alternated in his eyes as he spoke. But it's going to Him yes, nearer every step. What's the hobbit going to do with it, we wonders I can't help it. Master's got it. But if we was master, then we could help ourselfs, yes, and still keep promises. Nice hobbit! He speaks nicely to me. Let's be good, good as fish, sweet one, but to ourselfs.
Not hurt the nice hobbit, of course, no, no. Then we shall be master, gollum! Make the other hobbit , the nasty suspicious hobbit, make him crawl, yes, gollum!
Still he's a Baggins , my precious, yes, a Baggins. A Baggins stole it. He has a split personality, created after he had been under the influence of 'The One Ring'. Improve this answer. Stephen Francis Stephen Francis 7, 24 24 silver badges 44 44 bronze badges.
Except in this case, it's not due to a mental illness. The Ring actually whispers to him, just as it whispers to Frodo. He's had Gollum for so long now that he's become a core part of him, to the point where he continues the existence of Gollum even when the Ring is no longer in his possession.
GhotiandChips: Just because it wasn't caused by a mental illness doesn't mean that prolonged exposure to the Ring's voice didn't cause a mental illness.
Flater - absolute good call there - its far too easy to forget at times how active an agent the ring is, acting as both protagonist and antagonist at varying times, above and beyond the personally specified will of Sauron. Chris Johns Chris Johns 3, 15 15 silver badges 15 15 bronze badges. Featured on Meta. Now live: A fully responsive profile. Version labels for answers. Related Hot Network Questions. Question feed. Yes, but if it's got the present , our precious present , then goblinses will get it , gollum!
They'll find it , they'll find out what it does. I won't go so far to say that "we" is never a reference to the Ring in Gollum's speech, as I have not examined all the cases.
But clearly here it is not, and I think likely in most all cases, if not all, it is not. The key evidence he posits is:. It has nothing to do with split personalities or the Ring's effects on him. It seems that this is just the way he always spoke. Smeagol didn't have a split personality until after he took the Ring as his own. Yet when Deagol first finds the Ring, what are the first words out of Smeagol's mouth?
But this is by no means an open and shut case. The following points indicate this may well be the initial manifestation of the split:. However, based on that passage alone, either Wad Chebar's view or the view here could be correct. But there is one more key Tolkien gives to his thoughts on this Frodo felt a strange certainty that in this matter Gollum was for once not so far from the truth as might be suspected; that he had somehow found a way out of Mordor, and at least believed that it was by his own cunning.
For one thing, he noted that Gollum used I , and that seemed usually to be a sign, on its rare appearances, that some remnants of old truth and sincerity were for the moment on top. But even if Gollum could be trusted on this point, Frodo did not forget the wiles of the Enemy.
The 'escape' may have been allowed or arranged, and well known in the Dark Tower. And in any case Gollum was plainly keeping a good deal back. I can offer an out-of-universe answer AND an in-universe answer. The out-of-universe answer first: Anyone who lives in the British Isles can tell you that it is not uncommon to use terms like "us" and "we" to refer to oneself.
Your wife might say "Give us a kiss" meaning 'Give me a kiss' ; a patron in a pub often says "Give us a pint of the black stuff" meaning 'Give me a pint of Guinness'.
Substituting "we" for "I" is less common, but not unheard of. The British monarch uses the "Royal We" in official speeches, as another answer mentioned.
Commoners use it less frequently, but it still isn't completely unheard of. In a slightly different context, it is sometimes used in the states as well.
I can recall the morning after I graduated from high school; I slept at my friend's house and woke up horribly hungover from drinking too much the night before.
My friend's mother opened the curtains, saw me wince at the bright sunlight, and laughed, asking "How are we feeling today? A bit under the weather? This strongly suggests that this is simply the way Smeagol always spoke. It has nothing to do with split personalities, or with himself and the Ring being intertwined: he just talks like that, and he always did. Since the Shire is Tolkien's idealized vision of England before WWI, and people in Britain still speak this way on occasion, this isn't all that surprising.
However, Gollum's habit of unnecessarily pluralizing words I. Someone else said in their answer that Gollum only uses the word "precious" to refer to the Ring- this is incorrect. He also refers to other things as "precious". You can tell when he is talking about the Ring because the "P" in "Precious" is capitalized.
If the "p" is not capitalized, he is referring to something else as "precious". For example:. Now we can eat fish in peace. No, not in peace, precious. For Precious is lost; yes, lost. Here, Gollum is alone, and speaking to himself. Therefore, "precious" refers to himself, and as always, "Precious" refers to the Ring. See also this quote from The Hobbit :. In Lord of the Rings, "the enemy" refers to any opponents, while "the Enemy" always refers to Sauron.
There isn't a deeper explanation here - he speaks this way because this is the way he speaks. It really is that simple. Sign up to join this community. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. Stack Overflow for Teams — Collaborate and share knowledge with a private group. Create a free Team What is Teams? Learn more. Why does Gollum address himself as "we"?
Ask Question. Asked 9 years, 4 months ago. Active 4 years, 8 months ago. Viewed 41k times. Improve this question. Graviton Graviton 2, 6 6 gold badges 26 26 silver badges 33 33 bronze badges. Have you seen the movie? It's pretty clear. Check the answer below, there is no consensus, yet — Graviton. Graviton - See my answer below. The truth is, he has always spoken this way. It is just the way he is. There isn't a deeper explanation than that. Show 2 more comments.
Active Oldest Votes. Here's the longest extended monologue by Gollum from that book: "It's no good going back there to search, no. Improve this answer. Community Bot 1. Kyralessa Kyralessa 3, 1 1 gold badge 22 22 silver badges 21 21 bronze badges. This scene in the book seems to be less than common knowledge.
The idea was to crystallize how different parts of his mind battle each other and the pain it causes him.
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