Josh and Jaimie froze somewhere between puzzlement and support. The eight-year-old went on. He and Jaimie unfroze, relieved. Jaimie and Josh began to move on from the Church.
They no longer went to church or tithed. They watched Game of Thrones — porn shoulders everywhere — without shame. Then Jaimie got a call from a sympathetic friend who is still active in the Church. He also says that canceled records are not accessible to bishops. Naugle says the Church has only recently begun removing the names of unbaptized children. For a while, he was considering a class action lawsuit. This cannot be legal. Naugle has encountered other specious bureaucratic roadblocks in his work.
Last year, the Church claimed that fraudulent requests for resignation were being submitted to QuitMormon, and Naugle was required to add an identity verification step to his process. Now clients submit government-issued identification along with their requests. I doubt that it happened. There was one instance where someone submitted a false request for the Prophet of the Church, which I caught. Late last year, the Church asked that all resignation requests from QuitMormon go directly through Kirton McConkie, the law firm that represents the Church.
Previously, Naugle had sent requests to the Membership Records department. Now he emails resignation letters directly to Daniel McConkie, a shareholder in the firm. Last week he received a letter from Daniel McConkie. McConkie admonished Naugle for submitting duplicate requests, requests from people whose names have already been removed, requests from deceased or faithful members, and incomplete requests.
QuitMormon users will now have to upload notarized, written requests as well. When we discuss the new requirement on the phone, Naugle sounds copacetic, if a little tired. Naugle is not a notary, and even if he was, he would not be able to notarize requests for his own clients.
But Naugle rarely deploys helpers. I ask Naugle when he plans to move on from QuitMormon. The time since Joseph left the Church has been marked by small milestones. He deleted his social media accounts, not wanting to risk getting sucked back into his old circles.
He was particularly concerned that the people he met on his mission, the long trips Mormons take to share the gospel, would reach out to him. It is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts.
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Share this link:. Aleksandra Sandstrom is a former senior copy editor focusing on religion at Pew Research Center. Sign up for our weekly newsletter Fresh data delivered Saturday mornings. I did write this to help people see there is nothing to fear of any of us that are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We all have been given our free agency ur free will, the right to our opinion.
I find it quite offensive to hear so many talk against my church. Yet they only know what they have been told. They have never stepped foot inside the door of a Mormon church for a meeting. They have never sat down with the missionaries and talked with them and felt their sweet spirits.
They just read anti morni literature often to people such as this man who wrote this article that professes to have all the facts. The Mormon Church has taught me so much about Christ. Who would know more about the church me as a member my entire life or someone who claims to have researched it when his research has been anti Mormon. That would be the same as me reading and I Baptist material and then comi g on a public site and tell I g people you need to fear Baptist. I would want to know that whoever is running believes in God and would like to know that to run this country you would be leaning on God for direction.
If you believe in prayer ask God if you need to fear a Mormon or a Mormon president ask sincerely and with an open mind and I know you would be led to not have to fear.. I know this was long. I appreciate anyone who took the time to read this. I will be able to enter into the temple for the first time in about 5 years.
This artical is false and wrong. I want to be able to tell all of you the truth that I have witnessed in the church.
I have a true testimony to know this is the true church. God loves each and everyone of you. This article is only true in some parts if you really want to know about the odd church talk to the prophet or general authority of the church.
I laughed at this pretty hard. The Mormon church or Latter day Saint church is not a cult like what the heck, they belive in God and they are definetly christians. I know a bunch of mormons and they are one of the nicest people I know. If you are curouis just go to their churchand look for your answers instead of looking at crap on the internet.
Hear me out, other churchs are competing for you to go to their church and infact other churches beside the mormon church get paid for the amount of people there so if a mormon writes a web page about them they are going to make sure it is seen as good of course, but someone else from a different church is most likely going to protray it as bad as an effort for you to not go to the mormon church and to come to theres.
It seems to me they made up lies and again I am not even mormon and I know this is lies haha. The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. We care about our families and we care about other people. This guy who wrote the article and the people who responded to this have us so mixed up. I never say anything but when i see how people are towards a group of good people, its honestly upsetting.
I think we need to fear any organization led by men who will lie, cheat and gaslight to maintain the viability of their corporation. Surveys have shown that an atheist candidate for U. Is there some reason why an individual with a different, yet equally unacceptable idea about a god, or many gods, should not be scrutinized for unproven mysteries they choose to accept as a personal truth?
Anyone who. By all means, go to mormon. Then visit exmormon. To learn what any organization teaches or represents, you have to go to the source — the organization itself. Anything else would only be heresay and biased, personal opinion. I certainly hope no one in America is shallow enough to base their vote for President of the U. Mormons are biased in favor of Mormonism, main-stream Protestants are biased in favor of main-stream Protestantism.
Atheists are biased in favor of Atheism. It would be foolish for anyone to presume they are devoid of bias. However, since biased sources of information are all we have to work with, it is best to proceed by simply taking that bias into account and trying to collect the primary-source information. Furthermore, all organizations have unsavory elements E.
Church congregants who gossip behind your back, political fraud in the white house, mounting student debt for BU students, etc… , but those organizations are unlikely to tell you about the unsavory elements upfront because they want to present themselves positively. Of course those students will be biased by heaps of student loans and a potentially daunting future, but that does not make their case illegitimate. I am a Mormon cultural or middle-way , and I recommend mormonthink. There are many different belief levels of Mormons.
Obviously, most ex-mormons will have a negative bias, and most actively practicing Mormons will have a positive bias. Many Mormon fans of Mormonthink.
Go to en. Please, do not try to represent a biased anti-Mormon site as somehow unbiased. They clearly are not. For example David likes to breath heavily and thrust himself up and down upon children.
Creeper right? But what if David is a life guard performing CPR on a child who is not breathing after nealry drowning? I was a Protestant from birth but converted to the Church of Jesus Christ. No bias either way. Well, if you want a simple direct answer, it calls into question the intelligence and gullability of that individual.
You should absolutely consult ex-Catholics and ex-Baptists about those religions. Plenty of crazy BS from all of them. I think then you would be implying that Ken Dahl is crazy.
Mormons are good at deflecting information they choose not to deal with. The truth is Mr. No one responding could argue that, so they choose to divert your attention to what he was associated with, hoping they could convince, the reader he was misinformed.
So argue facts if you going to give Mr. Dahl a hard time you have no idea what it takes to be an ex-Mormon. Just sayin. And where they are not accurate, well, those are just pernicious lies masquerading as accuracies.
And all his comments are aimed at hurting the LDS church. There is only one standard to really judge the LDS church — go and visit one yourself! See the people, ask them questions, hear the range of answers, and be prepared to challenge yourself in your assumptions.
You control the pace of the research, and if you do not like it or get uncomfortable, you can leave at anytime. But at least you will know much more than you ever will just by reading the opinion of others.
Same goes for the Book of Mormon. Those answers may come as thoughts, words, or feelings, but when they do, you will recognize them for what they are: words from the Holy Ghost testifying of the truth of what you are reading. The belief system of an individual, however solid or absurd, speaks volumes about their character and value system. Ken, all religions read like nonsense to unbelievers. Is it reasonable to believe that salvation depends on whether or not one consumes certain animals or combines certain food products?
Christianity absolutely claims to be the only truth, to the exclusion of other religions. Christianson, well stated. I was going to say something similar and then read your thoughtful response. Many thanks. Ken, I think you forget…we are 14 million strong and growing fast. Mormons will not be stopped by someone with small, demeaning, innaccurate, ugly thoughts like yours. You really sound like you have personal problems and hate yourself.
I hope you find more worthwhile things to do in your life. You think your snide remarks will change any of that? Even states have ordered our extermination…Hey! So Ken…in the end. Save yourself some study time by doing your homework instead of writing ignorant things on here. Do you really think at this point in time that a Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim, atheist, or anyone of any faith other than Christianity could be elected president of the US regardless of their qualifications?
This seems obviously hypocritical to me when these same churches not just LDS campaign for the banning of gay marriage, for example. I have the same problem with the Catholic Church or any church that spreads hate. The reason why my church got so involved is because prop 8 was a moral issue. We push for anything that betters the community morally.
But what we do not get involved in is political parties. The reason why we are against gay marriage and gay acts in general is because we believe that marriage is a very sacred covenant towards god and the between the spouses. And should only be done between a man and a woman. We also believe in a pre-mortal life and when were spirits we had a gender already with us. Thus a man acting like woman or woman acting like man is wrong and is a mockery to god.
I cannot over state how sacred marriage is to our religion. We do not hate gays we hate the sin not the person. For more information try this website. This would be true if the organization itself wanted to be identified as unique entity. Yes they are like a Chameleon changing colors based upon who they are talking to.
If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints please note the real name of the Mormon Church were to present itself as Christian, and not actually be Christian, how many converts do you think would stay in the Church, after finding out they were duped into thinking the Church is Christian?
I am a convert of many years, and I can guarantee any and all that this church is a Christian Church. If it were not, I simply would not be a member. Yes, you should absolutely talk to ex-catholics and ex-baptists. Your distorted representation of the faith I believe appears designed to discount the merits of the individual without considering their actual position on a given issue.
You should know better. On this basis, honest people from any political persuasion should be anxious to see a Mormon candidate from their party elected.
Mormons are absolutely Christians. A Christian, by definition, is someone who believes in the gospel of Jesus Christ, believes that Christ is their Savior and the Redeemer of mankind. They stand with conviction to declare the Jesus is the Christ and give a lot of attention to spreading His gospel throughout the world. Furthermore, they provide humanitarian efforts throughout the world that are unparalleled by other large service organizations and non-profits.
Service is a central concept of the Mormon belief system that stems from Christs teachings. The church does nothing to hurt humanity or individuals. In other words, I am a Mormon. I have learned many things about Jesus Christ while attending meetings there, and one day after partaking the emblems of the Sacrament I wrote the following. I hope you like it, and that you and all others who read this will realize that Mormons are indeed Christians. Sacred are the things of Christ; so great the price he paid.
Reverently I ponder how his life he freely gave. I promise to remember him; my Savior ever more. Sacred are the things of Christ; I eat the broken bread.
I recall his body bruised; to the cross how he was led. I promise to forsake my sins; I plead forgiveness now. I feel my burdens lift from me; I make this holy vow.
Sacred are the things of Christ; I take and drink the cup. In Gethsemane he bled; On the cross they raised him up. He is my Covenant Father now; Oh, praise his saving grace. Justin, the Bible calls Jesus the Son of God. The Bible also says that all humans are children of God, and therefore heirs and jonit heirs with Christ.
That makes Jesus and all humans brothers and sisters, unless you want to add or take away from the words of the Bible. Furthermore, many of the early Christian fathers wrote that God became man to teach man how to become god.
You are right that most western Christian sects do not believe these things. I understand that as LDS you want to take pieces of scripture and twist them to fit Josephs theology. This is not Christian theology at all and is not a correct understanding of the passage if you study it. Romans is Paul telling the Jews they were not part of gods new order John They had not been born again with regenerated eyes.
To be part of this family you have to be in Christ, associated and identified with even His sufferings that you may share in His glory. We are joint heirs if we are born again. We will inherit the kingdom of heaven. I do not respond to belittle you. In fact I have a great amount of love for you and I want you to find freedom in a world without legalism. Don take my word for it. I will name a few of your own. You also mention that many of the early christian fathers wrote that god became a man to teach… You are correct it was called Arianism and it was abolished and swept off the face off the earth because it was a heresy.
Last, you are telling me that god almighty could not preserve the words of his prophets and Jesus so he had to have a court documented occult treasure hunter lead a restoration that still has only 10 million members 4 million active. Please study and research your faith and its history. The Joseph Smith quote about God once being like us and we having the potential to become like him is being misused.
God is perfected in his attributes and character. Jesus asks his disciples to be perfect like God is. Thus through Grace, we too will become perfect. Romans The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
I come across this quite often and it really needs to be addressed. Most people never really read through them, and when they did, they never understood them. The Catholic Church has published their own doctrines online.
You are merely regurgitating misaligned thoughts and preconceived notions. Oh, and before you quickly jump to further incorrect interpretations of the above passage, you should already know scholars have peer reviewed the meaning behind this and have come to the conclusion that what is shown above is exactly what is interpreted.
There is no hidden meaning. They have substantiated this claim because they also found philosophers and preachers from 30AD — AD during and immediately after the death of Christ , who have shared this belief and have known for it to be true during that time period.
There is a great amount of hatred on this thread. Most people want to throw another religion under the bus so their religion can be defended or so that their beliefs are not washed away. There are also those who are of no belief, who want to chime in.
Ask questions, listen to answers. Research all matters. Ok Ken, so you listed a bunch of weird things Mormons believe. He hates when I do that stuff!
Compare these standard mainstream Christian beliefs with any of the alleged Mormon beliefs on the list provided by Ken Dahl. Romney and Mormons want to be considered Christian to gain the right wing Christian vote. They cannot do that if they are show for what they really are which is no different than the branch dividiens.
Justin, you have missed the entire point. You are not a Christian. You do not live the Christian gospel. You repeat something you heard your two-bit pastor say. Thomas you may be right. I may not be a christian in your eyes. I am a Jesus follower and Jesus called a viper a viper. I also might add that we are commanded to defend the faith. I have no anger with you or any other but will defend the faith. I am not sure what a two-bit pastor is, but please study the Bible and research any faith that takes away from the bible and you will see that they just dont hold any weight.
The apostle Paul understood the importance of apologetics in his ministry to the Gentiles. Paul was not only ready to preach the gospel, but he was ready to defend the gospel as well Phil.
In this context, Paul is in effect saying that he is ready to stand up for the true gospel amid some who were preaching Christ with selfish, insincere motives. Like Paul, it is incumbent on us as Christians to be ready, willing, and able to defend the true gospel of Christ albeit many have embraced a distorted gospel of Christ that cannot save Gal. If you believe in Buddha, you are a Buddhist. If you believe in Vishnu, you are a Hindu.
If you believe in the prophet Mohammed, you are a Muslim. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian. Harry Reed is a Mormon. Should he be allowed to continue as Senate President? Does his religion allow him to think for himself. He is a Mormon. Shame on him…….
This is ridiculous. Nice red herring to keep bringing up….. What is at mormon. But what you are talking about is extremely sacred and you are ruining how sacred such things are but I will address them. Garden of Eden in Independence, Missouri Independence, Missouri is probably the least understood topics in my church. Prophets have even said that it is one of the least understood topics.
Right here are some very deep stuff that most members do not understand. Temple complex at Independence Missouri: All god has done he has just specified place. Adam Ondi Ahmin is place that is kept ready at all times the missionaries that maintain this huge amounts of acreage report directly to the prophet.
Polygamy: Here is the short answer. Long answer Your sealed to your first wife when she dies and you fall in love and get remarried and you die.
According to what you believe to be right the man would have to choose between to do. If that happened to me I would have a hard time choosing because I would probably love them both. But we do not pratice it on the earth today. Blacks being cursed: No we do not believe that either. I do not know why blacks did not get the priesthood and other prophets before blacks got the priesthood did not understand either. It is just like in the bible with Jews being taught first then the gentiles.
We do not know why the gentiles did not get the gospel only that they could not get the gospel. In fact Mormons when we were getting kicked out one of the main reason why we kicked out of Missouri was because we would unbalance the vote and support and abolitionist. We respect Native Americans to one of the earliest missions of the church was mission to the Native Americans and to this day they are still able to receive the priesthood as long as they live worthy for it. I mean what boy would lie about what at the time sounded absurd.
I mean if he wanted more followers he could have told them that the trinity showed up. Why would a man die for a lie? Why would a man lead his pepole through some of the most horrible trials for a lie? Why would a man suffer such adversity for a lie? A liar would realize it is not worth the trouble and try to worm himself out of the situation. But Joseph Smith stood tall and took on the adversities he was given.
One time some men burst into his room took him from his wife and children. Left the door open and killed one of his babies through exposure. He had hot tar painted all over him and feathers on him to further humiliate him. They also attempted to poison him when they tried to stuff it in his mouth he clenched his teeth and they broke the vial but no poison made it into his system.
When he walked in his house his wife tried to remove the tar. But tar when it cools does not easily come off so while it came off it took painful chunks of flesh off of him. When morning came he walked outside and preached of Jesus recognizing the men who did this act to him in the audience.
A liar would not do that. A liar would not have walked out and preached knowing he and his family would suffer. How could a man who barely knew how to form a sentence let alone a book produce a book that has way more writing styles than any book ever written? How could a man who could only write his name write a book that added more words to the English language than Shakespeare. How could a man who had the education of a 5th grader write a dual history of two distinct cultures that the world did not even know about.
I mean if it is fake it is some pretty darn elaborate fiction way beyond the capacity of a 5th grader. How could a man who was alive at the time that medical science was so primitive that no one knew about germs and if you washed your hands after every patient you would be able to double their chances of living.
Reveal a lifestyle which is now the suggested lifestyle by modern science. This man was not delusional or liar because a liar would have gave in a long time ago. All that we know is in the pearl of great price. It is like the Quantum physics and very advanced science except this is religous quantum physics. The Masonic handshake is a very sacred part of the Endowment. The Endowment is to give pepole knowledge of the past i. The present Gods plan for us.
The future Second coming. This stuff is so sacred that we do not mention this stuff outside the temple. It is not secret we urge every member to live worthy to receive a temple recommend and pull out their endowments. And as God is Man will become.
I mean does a lion cub turn into a zebra no it becomes into an adult lion. The Three Nephites were taken up because God wanted an apostasy for his children. Latter God decided it was time for prophets so thus came Joseph Smith.
But many outside consider the movement, and its followers, to be a cult. How have the two been conflated? Cults versus new religions is a matter of perspective, says Ori Tavor , a senior lecturer in the Department of East Asian Languages and Civilizations , who teaches a class on new religious movements. Anyone can create a new religion, and can appeal to the government for new religion status and get protections and recognition from the government.
What they have in common may be reason to conflate the two: a charismatic leader. Buddhism and Christianity are both named after a charismatic leader. Islam, originally called Mohammedanism, is also named after its leader. Religions and cults often follow a leader who claims divine, or at least special, access to different models of knowledge and revelations. Many are martyred. Jesus of Nazareth was famously crucified.
End days is another consistent theme in cults and religions, both new and old. Nirvana, heaven, Zion, or outer space are a guiding principle in their scriptures. The 20th century saw a shift as translated Buddhist and Islamic texts from the East became available amidst a new religious landscape. In the s, Hubbard established the self-help group based on reincarnation of the self, called Dianetics. Look at Rajneeshpuram and its leader, Osho. He was popular in India, then came to the U.
Around this time, deprograming and anti-cult movements sprouted.
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